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https://www.madinamerica.com/2016/04/heal-for-life/, It was confessed to me by an ethical pastor in 2011, that the child abuse covering up psychiatric and psychological crimes my family had dealt with were “the dirty little secret of the two original educated professions.” And our society is absolutely dealing with staggering in scope, systemic, crimes against humanity, by the miseducated, DSM deluded, “mental health professionals.”, https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml It’s hard to keep a cool head under these circumstances. There is real iatrogenic damage psychiatric survivors face. I ask because Will is not remotely anti-psychiatry. We all need better than that, from those we trust, and from ourselves. To me sounds like the guy Will compelled to “out” was a mentalist asshole, and that Will also was an asshole — as a man, not a “counselor” — not because of her age or his “power,” but for using the woman for sex and convenience. I consider Jung and Process Work to be a valuable approach, with much more to offer than most other therapy approaches I have looked into. I don’t really care if the therapeutic play of this couple carried over into their sex play, or vice versa. Women, certainly, do it to men. Like my school professor, he had dumped one of his secrets on me and pulled me into his corruption. What I’m talking about would not be psychiatry but a way people “out of it” could hide till they could think straight again. It was a new world for me, a world where the corruption of “the system” was starting to show up more and more everywhere I looked, and where a movement was starting to seem and act more and more like an industry. transition from without and from within…how about that… Benzos are hard to come off of too. Absorbing shame from our earlier powerlessness, ignorance, or vulnerabilities perpetuates and fossilizes the damage. I am actually not going to take down any of these posts, even though some might find them offensive, because I want this discussion to be read and thought about and maybe learned from. Would you like to share why you feel this way, Littleturtle? We envisioned Freedom Center as an activist and also a support community. Too much damage done – I see what you have to trade in order to be part of this incredibly corrupt system: inner integrity. None of this is easy. Scapegoating can become the flip side of complicity, our shared trap of shame. Not that I’m happy about the situation. Whether it’s “schizoaffective disorder schizophrenia” and being delusional, as I was labeled with at Langley Porter Psychiatric Institute, or the “having relationship edges” and being a “difficult person” needing more enlightened awareness in the language of Process Work, clinical institutions wield a power of labeling that cuts deep. I thought that the term “patient” was the worse term because it implied a business relationship based on medical science. Raping our children destroys our society, and will destroy humanity. I think we all need to face our shadow. But years later, after I had left the school, my professor and my B grade behind, I learned how far his corruption had gone: the professor had a sexual relationship with one of his teenage students, had gotten her pregnant, and was fired from the school. Yes, how does that code of ethics work out for psychiatrists, where “First do no harm” turns out to be an oxymoron? So no, this isn’t a place for healing. If you choose to remain a complicit enabler; then you are just as bad as the person committing the crime. I think it’s a particularly appropriate subject following a blog which concerns itself with speaking out in the face of evil and corruption. So let’s try to get back to respecting the fact that people have differences of opinions, and try to learn from them instead of getting into attack/counterattack mode. I think these are good personal boundaries to set and respect. I had realized long ago that, broadly speaking, psychotherapy is a corrupt industry, rife with the harmful misuse of power and classifying people as higher and lower. Oldhead commented above: “Littleturtle has always been a sympathetic participant and I don’t want them to get caught in the crossfire.”. And while people can attempt to develop the sorts of communal attitudes which would accompany a revolutionary society, until the material reality supports this we will be confined to a primarily individualist, nuclear family oriented social structure which is oppressive by nature, at least at this point in history. That’s good advice, Rachel. If we are going to make a world we all can feel at home with, safe in, we often start with movements. I guess it helps to judge nothing and will result in judging thyself less…. Will made the following statements: ” …we all have shadows, we all have blind spots, we are all in this complicity and corruption together.” “… “our side” that is also part of the problem, that we are dangerously also part of “the system.” ”. So you better not speak up unless you want to be exposed and have someone talk about you. Nor is it an “alternative to psychiatry.” Maybe those who clamor for prostitution to be criminalized should extend that logic to those who charge money for non-sexual emotional support as well (just to make the logic consistent). Board game night, Flames of War, Warhammer RPG, Star Wars RPG! The movement I’m talking about is about the only thing around these parts which is led and organised by young people. It’s all based on avoiding reality, and what you actually are saying in effect is more like “Yes, we need to radically restructure society immediately to prevent this immense suffering it causes. In general I don’t believe answers to the collective problems we face will be found via millions of people participating in individual counseling, even if it is “socially aware.” Such alienated interactions may, and sometimes do, help some individuals sort their issues out in a way that frees up their energy and ability to join everyone else in displacing the system that created these personal traumas in the first place, and constructing a new paradigm which serves human needs and interests. Since not everyone at MIA pursues the same goals of activism this is more of a dialogue tool than a place for healing or social activism. It made me manic, and have crazy behavior that made it look to all involved as if my poor husband was having to care for a crazy person instead of causing the crazy. I don’t consider you “a” racist, i.e. It was a consensual relationship and as a collective I wasn’t in any supervisory or hiring role, but I certainly had power and status that I didn’t take into account how it would impact her. This is very dangerous thinking. You really think this miserable system will ever care enough or even be capable of being so convenient as for one to be able to find solutions for the existential horror it foments in the Yellow Pages? And silence. Most people seek redemption through private acts to protect themselves from criticism. I point out what’s in front of me, but not in hopes of “improving” an untenable situation. What’s important is for as many voices to be heard as possible. I simply think, if you’re going to destroy a person’s career, there’s got to be a better reason for doing so than somebody’s injured pride. The power differential nobody is denying, and I’m certainly for doing something about that as it is 100 % behind the totalitarian nature of forced treatment. Random people on the internet should not be mistaken for friends. Spielrein expressed no regrets for Jung’s groundbreaking therapeutic fucking. Does that mean that one needs a vagina to really know what misogyny is? Can everyone who is holding back start to speak up in a mutual process of healing our world? Please don’t ever do that to me, it’s a very dismissive comment based on a few details you may have gleaned about my experience. This is generalizing from the specific, which remains hearsay to a great degree. Now I was afraid that by speaking up I would join her. It was wrong for the school to hire a Director with this history and not tell anyone about it, and consider him rehabilitated when he clearly wasn’t. Your insisting on the term “non-violent” carries an implication of “movements” being violent, otherwise it wouldn’t need to be specified. But there are others like me who were depressed and anxious. Folks that do carry the knowledge of other peoples “problems” do so at their own mental health risk. It was wrong that a male therapist blamed sleeping with his female client on her being “borderline.” But the realization became clear in me, that regardless of what I was afraid of happening, I was wrong not to speak up, because I was now with my silence complicit in the misconduct. Women, certainly, do it to men. No one should be reduced to the point that they are forced to do this. Retaliation from the system only proves its corruption, and does not allow necessary truth to come to light, other than its own shadow which is already quite apparent to most of us. Those lower in the hierarchy bear the brunt of the clinical judgments of those higher. Still a work in progress, but more and more clarity comes daily, from which I take my inner guidance based on my own personal truth and values, much like you describe. We don’t know that he “exploited” her. There are no white men amongst my icons! “support,” etc.). This seems to make you an especially good therapist for everyone but yourself; you are not protecting yourself from abuse. The fact that you put these words in quotes indicates that you are also aware that they are specious terms which create artificial distinctions between human beings. When I was 16 and didn’t stand up to my corrupt political science professor, I had all the shame from bullying in my family and school holding me back. But he isn’t certified to work in the traditional “mental health” system. Can we let go of the shiny Facebook status updates and the righteous poses for our funders and the media, can we hold back from the media mud scapegoat spectacle, and can we start getting real about the shadows we all have, the corruption we are all part of? They realize they are part of the very crime they are uncovering. Enacting a law against such interactions is not going to prevent outlaws from arising…nor, for that matter, in laws. 2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you go through the rivers, they will not overwhelm you. Jung commenced the spanky hanky-panky with Ms Spielrein while undertaking his experimental version of Freud’s techniques. OK correction, sorry (but no “shame”), I should know by now that Will is another survivor who became part of the system with the sincere idea that he could “make it better.” This of course is the result of mistaking “mental health” as a “caring” field, rather than a branch of law enforcement. had been tried there would be no referral for “ADHD screening” (the Connors scale). We really need a support forum for people leaving psychiatry. I had made the wrong choice before, and now I needed to make the right choice. The director who named the client as the problem, same thing, he came to you for therapy….which is Not that I’m happy about the situation.”. The message was clear: If we just would accept the fact that she is “borderline,” and if we knew the full story, we’d see that, instead of this being about the clear prohibition on sex with clients, well, it was actually more of a grey area, she was at fault, she was acting out her damaged personality. I think when people have been as damaged as many commenters here have that they feel an incredible urgency to prevent others from experiencing it and so frustrations mount and tempers flare. Hunk and I got the cart righted, lifted Keith back onto the seat, and flew on to the refugee tents. Through The Fire (Verse 1) So many times I question certain circumstances and things I could not understand. serving as its doormats. I have friends who choose to remain in the System. Sorry you’re the first person I sprung it on, as it characterizes the attitudes of many people. People will use it against you.”. I think I get your point, OH, but I also think you may be misunderstanding – either that, or I am. “And I look forward to the day (and I am working toward that day) when there will be no need or reason for therapists to exist in this world.”. But the roadmap is less than clear, when one side has all the pedigrees, cash, advertising budget, and weapons, er, drugs on its side. So what’s the point of having a “profession” where being a “professional” provides no guidance as to what the professional is able to provide? When the darkness has fallen down, And the times are tough all right https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-child-does-not-have-bipolar-disorder/201402/dsm-5-and-child-neglect-and-abuse-1. The school taught me a great deal and I did finally get my degree and start my work as a counselor. Yes, we know drugs ruin all chance for full recovery but they see the tranquilizing effect sometimes produced and imagine it proves they’re being “helped.”. Anyway hopefully you will now recognize this a blind spot you were unaware of; it’s understandable, given the massive effort by the Fraternal Order of Police and many others to suppress the truth, but hopefully now you will realize you have been duped along with many others in the U.S. I’d been under the impression that you are Canadian, so expected that you would be more informed about this, as are most people outside the U.S. Am I wrong about this? Psychiatrists are by and large not therapists. He felt free to use power with impunity to advance his personal interest and agenda, even to the point of hurting others, and he did. When you consider the whole of humanity and each person’s personal experience, these are in no way black & white issues, to say the least. Should such a professional amateur mismatch produce another mad psychiatrist or mad psychologist, I would hope not to be too prejudiced against the subject myself. This is one of the best blogs I personally believe MiA has ever published. Oh, misty eye of the mountain below Keep careful watch of my brothers' souls And should the sky be filled with fire and smoke Keep watching over Durin's sons If this is to end in fire Then we should all burn together Watch the flames I’ve never experienced such a thing. I’m not even claiming that prostitution is not degrading, or that the majority of women who engage in it feel good about it. What I note more than anything is how the women involved, due to the “professional” nature of the situation, have been reduced to “clients,” and their perceptions of and feelings about these “unprofessional” encounters — whatever they may be — don’t seem to be considered relevant, or if so they aren’t mentioned here. By not challenging him I kept my allegiance to him. Some people never are able to ride out the stress from withdrawals. The Process Work theory and approach were much more sympathetic to the patient survivor movement perspective, and a school where RD Laing’s Politics of Experience and Jung’s Red Book were held in regard promised a supportive context for me to start again and pursue a Masters in Counseling. Will, I am grateful for your blog. OK are you ready for the part where violence is unleashed against you without provocation (other than being effective)? And yet I know that I escaped the system partly because I did not have any prying eyes to hide my noncompliance from. Pellek - Through the fire and flames (dragonforce cove.. lyrics a cold winter morning, in the time before the light, In flames of death's eternal reign, we ... ride towards the fight. I realized that, The Director had put all this clinical power on display when he dismissed the woman he violated as “borderline.” Seen through the label, she wasn’t acting on the side of truth when she spoke up and got him to lose his license, she was exposing a symptom of her personality disorder. Hi, I took your “jobs” comment with the requisite sense of irony. I was enthusiastic with my new skills and soon I had an office at the Institute, a thriving private practice as a therapist, was teaching Continuing Education Credit courses, running a highly regarded community group Portland Hearing Voices, and lived in my own apartment a short walk from Forest Park. Those of us who have been badly hurt by repeated experiences of being on the painful, receiving end of abuses of power seem to be little, and in some cases, no less tempted to abuse power ourselves when in a position to do so. 1) The challenging and speaking out against authority and their attempts to cover it up. Maybe we have to face our shadows, together, not just attack the shadow of the other. Maybe this is #ustoo. In other words, when a friend says something objectionable while thinking that you are supportive, people often respond about how others now consider the comment objectionable. I won’t be responding to his future posts. I moderate about once a day, so there is not a flashing red light that goes off when you report it, but I will get to it within 24 hours or so. they don’t self examine or doubt. Provided, of course, the engine turns over at all. We also have Flames of War & maybe some 40K! Curious, given the theme of the discussion. Then the target you sling mud at slings mud back at you, and we all go to the ground. Not all “mental patients” even, would want to be consigned, or condemned even, to screwing only among their own maligned, marginalized, and dis-empowered populations. you do not want BIOLOGY to be swept away….I am not The Institute was not transparent to students, clients, or the school community about his history of losing his license and being fined for it. I don’t know to what island the “lover” has been exiled, in your book, but apparently, you and I are not going there, are we, Richard? “Well, for the love of molasses! And this cannot occur, until our force treating “mental health professionals” have their undeserved power, to hold innocent people against their will and poison them with neurotoxic drugs, taken away. prepare!! With my apology. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/10/23/be-change/. Anyway, I know you’re a “comrade,” and also get that you were trying to criticize unnecessary negativity in discussions among those who should be united. We should all be attempting to root out the enemy within, and helping each other see our blind spots and inconsistencies before they are exploited by the “enemy.” We can’t rely on “leaders”; all of us should be capable of holding their own in a debate, and more. Corruption spreads out from the actual violations like concentric pools of blood, leaving stained hands to the very heights of society. I believe Valium helps you feel better. Maybe things are different now in that almost everyone knows we need to grow food locally, learn how to fix and make essential items, re-learn old skills, build communities, etc,… of psychiatry that need to be saved….important question… I think it takes a lot of integrity to be honest about what is happening and to be willing to wound your own reputation and depict yourself in an honest manner in the name of healing. Models could be very triggering for her needs worse off if and i will see you through the smoke and flames can ’ t need “... 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